ThomasRuz Interior? "showcase"

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Hello everyone,

I finally decided to do some construction set stuff, so I decided to make a interior cell named “abandoned mine”, a dungeon with daedra and undead enemies. This is the first time I made a thing in CS, so don't expect a lot. cheeky
The dungeon hasn't been fully cluttered either.
EDIT: added more rocks.
EDIT2: MORE ROCKS
EDIT3: Added lightsources and a northmarker, I do not know how to use TESAME very well, but it seemed okay. Ready for another review?
EDIT4: I made some changes. I have lowered the lighting to 8-7%, I have gridsnapped the ex_common parts, I have added raw glass crates deeper in the mine, I've cluttered the daedra ruin a bit more, but I have kept in_dae_room_l_corner_02 as there is no other static that has the same functionality, so I've added alot of rubble there so that it seems extra weathered, I changed the throne, added a cave door. I kept  furn_de_r_table because originally it was intended to be the place where the mine boss would sit and collect his money. I also removed the daedra and the artifact. I don't know if I have corrected the objects well enough so they don't casper/bleed etc., which I also find really hard to do on a uneven cave surface, I have cleaned the file with TESAME. 

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Hey ThomasRuz, it’s awesome that you want to become an interior developer on top of all the artwork you’re providing.

Your cave is a pretty good start. It’s creative and it looks like you’ve got snap grid down. There are a few major pointers I’d like to make though:

  • As you said yourself, it’s a bit undercluttered. To fix this I’d first start placing more rock pieces throughout the cave. In the daedric ruin I’d put up some extra braziers and maybe a shrine. From there, try to add smaller details such as misc items, weapons, sounds, lights, etc.
  • Try to remove all living creatures from your cave. Usually dead creatures are accepted, but anything else should be held off. 
  • Pay very close attention to object placement. TR is very strict when it comes to bleeding, floating, and caspering - to the point where the smallest mistake will be pointed out to you. This tutorial (http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/content/tutorial-item-placement-tutorial) provides some great tips on the matter.
  • Try not to style mix. For example, there’s a silverware fork next to a cheap metal plate, and a furn_com_r_table_01 surrounded by some very worn out woodwork. Usually you won’t see mixing like this in the game, so it’s best to avoid it altogether.
  • Add a northmarker to the cell. Since this is a showcase, it’s rotation won’t matter. But it’s still nice to add one just to get in the habit.
  • Check out some interiors made by other developers for inspiration and ideas. I’d avoid looking at work from vanilla MW as that is below our standards today, but anything from TR_Mainland or from our claims browser (probably the old one) should work. One thing you should look at is their lighting levels so that you can adjust your own interior to match better.
  • Clean your interior with TESAME. If you don’t have it yet you can download it here: http://mw.modhistory.com/download-95-5289

For anything I might have missed, you can go through our interior showcase guidelines (http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/content/guidelines-interior-showcases) if you haven’t already. Good luck on your next submission!

 

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Thanks for the advice!

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I’m reviewing this now; I'll try to get it posted today if possible.

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Your file has one dirty reference (in_nord_ladder_02), you should delete this in TESAME.

As RyanS pointed out, you should remove the daedra/skeletons from the interior; creatures are added to interiors at a later stage and it’s best for your showcase to follow the same guidelines as interior claims.

Your cell's lighting is way too high currently; sunlight should be in the low 80s at the very highest, and preferably much lower for caves/mines. Have a look at the lighting for mines/caves in the vanilla game (or TR). Generally, TR prefers lower global lighting values than vanilla to make light sources stand out more dramatically.

You’ve correctly gridsnapped the cave/daedra pieces, but the ex_common statics should be gridsnapped together as well.

Many of the ex_common parts you’ve used have caspering ends; that is, holes in the mesh are visible. Either the static should be replaced with one that fits the position without visible caspering, or the static should be bled into the cave walls/ground to hide the caspering parts.

The cave is reasonably cluttered (though some more furniture and misc items from the miners would be good), but the daedric ruin portion still looks quite bare;  try to fill up the space with some of the in_dae_rubble parts. The mismatched floor texture on the in_dae_room_l_corner_02 static looks a bit out-of-place; I would shuffle the area around to either mirror the mismatched texture on the other side of the room, or just redesign the area to only use the one floor texture.

Add a crate or two of raw glass; at the moment the only mined glass in the entire interior is the two pieces on the table near the entrance, which seems a bit odd for a glass mine (even an abandoned one)

The furn_de_r_table should be replaced with a lower-class version (furn_de_p_table_* or furn_de_ex_table_*).
The T_Imp_FurnR_Chair_05 throne is a bit out-of-place as well; a dremora buried in an obscure dunmer glass mine wouldn’t likely have access to high-class imperial furniture. The claw static on top of it looks quite odd, too; it would be better to make a throne/altar out of dae_rubble pieces.

A few of the rock/boulder statics (in_lava_rock_04, for example) are scaled up a bit too far, making the textures stand out. Replace them with larger rocks.

The cave entrance is missing a door.

The ring you’ve made for the dremora is using the model for the Warlock’s Ring, which is a unique artefact. If you want to include the ring in the interior (though you should remove the dremora), replace the model with one of the more common rings. Also, the ring has a value of 1, which should be changed to something representative of the enchantment’s value. The enchantment seems extremely overpowered, too.

Below is a list of placement issues that should be fixed:

 

Take care of these and I’ll give you a second review when you’re ready.

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Ok, I will look into it. yes

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Ready for another look. wink

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Alrighty, I've had a look through this. Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you on it.

As I said in my last review, please replace the upper-class 'furn_de_r_table_07' with one of the 'de_p' or 'ex_de' ones; the high-quality wood looks out of place in this interior.

I must have forgotten to mention it last time, but there are quite a few places in the cave where you've used multiple copies of the same rock/boulder/stalagmite next to eachother. This tends to look rather unnatural, so try to add some more variety in statics to these areas.

The throne looks good; the spikes on the side of the in_dae_claw_01 are bleeding into the back of the throne, though. Maybe try bringing the rubble pieces on either side down, or just lift the claw up a bit.

Regarding the miscoloured floor piece; the clutter you've placed around it draws attention away reasonably well, so I think you can get away with it as-is, but an alternative solution to consider (and the one that seems to be favoured by the vanilla game) would be to add matching pieces opposing it to create a symmetry (something like this: http://i.imgur.com/xWDV3NE.jpg).

There's still quite a few floaters/bleeders that need looking at, but take your time and try your best. Remember to use the wireframe mode (the 'W' key) to get a clearer idea of the structure of the surface you're placing things on. With cave floors, you'll save yourself a lot of stress if you can fit objects so they don't cross over between faces.

Here's the full list of placement issues that still need attention:

 
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Ok, I'll adjust it when I have time.