What's in a name?

Lud · Post by **Lud** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:06 pm

I've come to realise that there's an awful lot of stuff that needs to be named in TR right now.
Sooooo, let's start thinking up names!
These things need new names or just better names:

The name for the Map1 MQ.(Read the plot [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=18044]here[/url] ("Rituals and Intrigue" is really just a placeholder)

A proper name for the ritual in the aforementioned quest.(Something in dunmeri maybe?)

The cave settlement in map2 that Andres made is unnamed

Neommaeor. (I think the name is crap, who's with me? It's definitely not too late to change it)

The small Grazelands region just west of Dun Akafell in Map2
(You can't call plains part of the Boethian Mountains)

The island in 2-39 on map2. It'll need to have it's own region because it's the only AI place on the map. Hence, it needs a name.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:16 pm

Neommaeor. (I think the name is crap, who's with me? It's definitely not too late to change it)

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I'm glad that i'm not alone on this one. Its bugged me for years every time I've read it

The name does not fit into the Dunmer or Imperial language. In fact, I've always thought it sounded like something from Lord of the Rings.

Morgoth Bauglir · Post by **Morgoth Bauglir** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:19 pm

Noirgrim: Neommaeor sounds a bit like NÃƒÂºmenor(it's from LOTR: an island between Middle-earth and Aman).

Anyway it's nearly impossible to say three a-e-i-u-o's after each other. So removing one would be quite enough perhaps, some suggestions:

-Neomaero (said as Ne(the 'e' as the 'a' in ate)-o-m-ai-ro)
-Naemaron (said as Nai-maron.)

can't think of any others...

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:36 pm

How about something else altogether? (BTW: "AEO" is technically a two-letter pronunciation since the AE would be pronounced together)

I'm personally fond of the highly imaginitive Necrom, Foreign Quarter.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:42 pm

I like that idea Nomadic, except it seems a bit too far away (I really wished it were closer to Necrom). But that does describe its function very well.

Lud: Who are the inhabitants of the cave settlement (race), and what are it's map coordinates? Does it have any industry/purpose?

-Starcrunch

Theo · Post by **Theo** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:07 pm

Perhaps some kind of fast travel connection would solve this problem (after all Dunmers like to keep Outlanders as far from Necrom as possible)
- Cave settlement: Buranmu
- Plains: Rugged lands
Velothian steppes

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:41 am

You can also call it Necrommor or something with Necrom in its name. Then it belongs to Necrom but still is a different place.

Lud · Post by **Lud** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:51 pm

I like "Necrom, foreign quarter" we can alsways trengthen the connection by adding gondoliers or such to the main city.

I also think that Buranmu is quite nice. How do you feel about that one, Andres? (You did make the place)
This cave settlement is a poor place owned by House Indoril, a few cells east of Dragon Glade. They farm bloat there.

Steppes would be good to put into the name. How about "Akafell steppes"?

How about "Profane Binding" for the ritual. Or better yet, what's the dunmeri for that? COuld somebody post up the dunmeri translator by any chance?

Also, didn't we agree long ago that dunmer settlements should have dunmer names? Why then Dragon Glade? I think it was agreed in its thread to change it to Akamora, back in the way-back-when.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:38 pm

Akamora is a wonderful name and it fits the town.
I like Akafell steppes as well. I believe the name of the Gorne island first was Solis island or something (I saw that on a map). You can name the island in map2 Solis Island then.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:59 pm

I like "Necrom, foreign quarter" we can alsways trengthen the connection by adding gondoliers or such to the main city.

The physical connection to necrom? or the conceptual connection to Vivec?

I like the idea that the N'wah are kept so far away. It makes a good dailogue topic. "They call this the foriegn quarter of Necrom but it's so far away that calling it part of necrom is a joke. What are those silly darkelves affraid of, that we are going to steal thier corpses?"

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:13 pm

Ludovic wrote:I also think that Buranmu is quite nice. How do you feel about that one, Andres? (You did make the place)

Fine by me.

Theo · Post by **Theo** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:28 pm

If you don't mind 'Buran' means 'Redneck' in Czech

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:46 pm

Macar wrote:"What are those silly darkelves affraid of, that we are going to steal their corpses?"

I can see a "Sharn gra-Muzgob"-type character saying that.

Theo wrote:If you don't mind 'Buran' means 'Redneck' in Czech

You know, I obtained from Lady N that she would never successfully complete the "Collector" quest from Oblivion by telling her that "Culotte" -- one of the Ayleid ruins where the strange statues are found -- has a name that means "panties" in French.

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:48 pm

Ludovic wrote:Also, didn't we agree long ago that dunmer settlements should have dunmer names? Why then Dragon Glade? I think it was agreed in its thread to change it to Akamora, back in the way-back-when.

So is that a sure thing it being named Akamora? I need to know for the alchemists bookey of i2-337.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:26 pm

What's on and in the island at 2-39? Should it have a Dunmer name, or will English suffice?

BTW wasn't Buran the 1988 Russian space shuttle that was destroyed after the hanger collapsed (due to poor maintenance) in 2002?

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:52 pm

<Bump>

For the island:

Balaka
Gah-Akafell
Ald Sidon

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:34 pm

Harke the Apostle wrote:BTW wasn't Buran the 1988 Russian space shuttle that was destroyed after the hanger collapsed (due to poor maintenance) in 2002?

Yep. Means "Energy" in Russian.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:24 am

don't you just love wikipedia....(I wasn't even sure the thing was called Buran)

Ald Buran, anyone?

Veet · Post by **Veet** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:30 am

Neommaeor. (I think the name is crap, who's with me? It's definitely not too late to change it)

Thats because its misspelled (probably my fault I suck at spelling). I had the claim years and years ago, actualy inherited it from an even older member who had ploped a hlaalu vilage there and called it "Seaside Village". after changing it to velothi architecture I was trying to figure out what to name it and I think it was Sniper (not entirely sure) who suggested we just translate the name it already had. The closest translation I could find was Niummaor which is a combination of the Chimiri words for town and sea (just looked that up at the imperial library so its spelled right). Obviously somewhere the spelling to messed up. So yes we did just pull that name out our asses, but to be fair the name Necrom technicaly has a Latin base and not Dunmer.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:51 pm

Actually, it's maor- and -nium, so it would be Maornium rather than Niummaor. Furthermore, "maor" means "tropical" rather than sea side.

We've kinda assumed "sea" was "amur", so it could be Amurnium. But I'm not really fond of the -ium ending anyway. I prefer -ruhn, for "home", so it could be Amurruhn. Or something else.

There's always "oad", which means "coastal village" or "port", as seen in Hla Oad ("little port"). Since Necrom is the City of the Dead (Cahrd), then "Neommaeor" could be Cahrdoad. I don't know.

At least, it's good to know where the name came from.

groza528 · Post by **groza528** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:49 pm

There is a new dwemer centurion that needs a name. It is currently called "flying nameless thing" and exists in some dwemer leveled lists, though the only place I have personally encountered it is actually beyond the walls of the dwemer ruin Manizarche (Hall of Dumac).

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:14 pm

Why not use some of the city names in Arthomedeus' map of Tamriel? Maybe Im wrong but I don't remember a city named Praloris, or Veloth's Haven, and there's another one but I can't remember in Map 1.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:24 pm

http://til.gamingsource.net/maps/minibigmaproadslore31gv.jpg ?

"Llolanthis Height" (that name is a typo, should be "Llothanis Height") is Ranyon-ruhn.
"Velothi's Haven" is Gah Ouadaruhn
"Praloris" is Darconis
"Greenheight" is Alt'Bosara
And so on.

If you compare with [url=http://til.gamingsource.net/maps/arena_morrowind.shtml]the Arena map[/url] and the [url=http://til.gamingsource.net/maps/concept_morrowind.jpg]conceptual Morrowind map[/url], you'll see a few discrepancies with Art's and TR's maps.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:30 am

Karthor Dale and Verarchen Hall, neither of these names are particularly dunmeri, perhaps they should be renamed as well.

groza528 · Post by **groza528** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:26 pm

After reading through the archived thread on the subject, I recommend "Blast Drone" for the dwemer construct currently known as the "flying unnamed thing"

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:01 pm

groza528 wrote:After reading through the archived thread on the subject, I recommend "Blast Drone" for the dwemer construct currently known as the "flying unnamed thing"

Have never seen one of these things in action (looked at them in the CS, though) but do they explode or something? Otherwise, Blast Drone doesn't make too much sense.

Perhaps 'Scout Centurion'?

groza528 · Post by **groza528** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:09 pm

They are designed to carry some sort of explosive to a pile of rocks and drop it, making for easier digging. The way I understand it they're not hostile, but they are a bit oversensitive due to their age and sometimes blow up near wayward adventurers. One of the comments in the previous thread, with which I agree, is that 'centurion' is inappropriate because it implies a military function, while the unnamed flying thing is more of a mining tool.

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:20 pm

Ah, right. In that case, I like Blast Drone.

Is that 'exploding' scripted in game? That'd be cool.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:56 pm

Bloodthirsty Crustacean wrote:Is that 'exploding' scripted in game? That'd be cool.

It will be, eventually.

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:02 pm

Thrignar Fraxix wrote:Karthor Dale and Verarchen Hall, neither of these names are particularly dunmeri, perhaps they should be renamed as well.

On Karthor Dale:
Karthor is good enough. The Dunmeri word TR made up for Dale is quite pathetically convaluted, and alternative words that could be used for Dale were systematically rejected in the way back when. IIRC it was talk about Silnim Dale.

On Verarchen Hall:
The name is wrong anyway - it should be properly Veranis Hall. When the name issue of this town came up last, it was decided that Veranis was a stupid name and Verarchen sounded better. IIRC even Silgrad Tower like Verarchen. It could be renamed Verarchen Ruhn to make it more Dunmeri if we take Veranis to by the Cyrodillicisation (made up word) of Verarchen.

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:40 pm

Verarchen Ruhn is the worst I've heard yet. Couldn't we just call it 'Veranis'? That sounds best to me.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:53 pm

Haplo wrote:Verarchen Ruhn is the worst I've heard yet. Couldn't we just call it 'Veranis'? That sounds best to me.

I humbly agree with Haplo (for once). It sounds like the Dutch word for 'to despise' 'verachten', and like the German word for 'to screw over' 'verarschen', but worse. Veranis on the other hand sounds like the Spanish 'verano', 'summer'.[/uselessinfo]

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:04 pm

never realy minded the name Verarchen Hall, partialy because i pronouce it as "verachen hall". adding ruhn to stuff to make it dunmeri is stupid because there are many more dunmeri words wich would sound better (and because we have ruhn too many times alredy). i dont mind veranis either though. silnim dale is good too, ive heard both used alredy.

xeth-ban · Post by **xeth-ban** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:54 am

Perhaps changing the name of the Explodo from "Flying Nameless Thing" to Explodo would be a good idea?

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:36 am

Perhaps coming up with a better name than Explodo is an even better idea

Too bad nobody has yet been able to do so.

I personally prefer Veranis but at the time only one other person did IIRC.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:53 pm

I vote for Veranis

xeth-ban · Post by **xeth-ban** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:03 pm

What about adding something cool infront of it? Like "Kogo Veranis"?

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:56 pm

"Kogo" means "unbreakable". We also don't want to change the name of cities beyond recognition.

xeth-ban · Post by **xeth-ban** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:59 pm

Yes, i know. Im well versed in whats known of the dunmeri language thank you

I don't know anything about the place you are talking about i just came in and gave my opinion.

And besides, Veranis is a bit plain and boring in my opinion. But then again most places don't usualy have an interesting name, well except in Morrowind where we have places called Mushroom Forest, Stone Forest, Elder Home and so on. The dunmer sure like their "forests" >_>

CleverClothe · Post by **CleverClothe** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:18 am

What about dropping "Hall" and just leaving "Verarchen"? I like Verarchen better than Veranis anyway.