new redoran Tower

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:27 pm

to me does looks perfectly mergeable with the redoran style becouse that is a unique structure built inside an already ehisting horn of an ancient animal ...redorans don't usually build but prefer to readapt other animal shells and chitinous bodies ... so it fits perfectly with lore .... the idea of mnaking it telvanny isn't good becouse retexturing would make it look like what ? a root? that is not something unique and there are already tons of similar stuff...

the only problem is that i wasn't able to make the vertex painting work on it .. dunno why...

Teli · Post by **Teli** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:27 pm

You can't export it with vertex paint?
I've had the same problem. I've no idea why it doesn't work either.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:14 pm

actually for the others mod i made worked always fine ..dunno why for that one didn't ...may be is something related to the collapse the modify that i often used...

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:18 am

Uh for the tower, if you make it look like a cow or bull horn, I remember reading in one of the sermons that Vivec made the West Gash by blowing through a horn. Just an idea, and I'm not really sure whether my memory is correct on that. So if you don't have a specific purpose for it yet, you could use it as a sort of shrine.

Munkie · Post by **Munkie** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:37 am

Prom...just because you think it looks good and that it fits among the Redoran architecture doesn't mean that it does. Excuses after excuses...yet none plausible nor fitting within lore. Reminds me of those stupid lizard statues. If you can't comprehend what I'm saying...I'll put into simple terms for you: It doesn't fit with the rest of Redoran structures. And you think your work is never too good to take criticism. You think all your work is too good to be touched or that its fine the way it is. You know what I call this? Laziness to make a change and an ego that cannot take criticism nor change.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:11 am

You know what, I think it looks great. Prom keep the original I liked it, we all have diffrent tastes.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:44 pm

thanks for your dislikes Munkie ... it is nice to see you active every once in a time ...

Munkie · Post by **Munkie** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:53 pm

Think about what you say before you actually say it. Just because I don't post in the forum doesn't mean I'm not active. Moron.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:57 pm

active means do actions ... (in a forum may be posting..... ) passive is the countrary ... but don't take offence to that my friend ...

Seran · Post by **Seran** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:05 pm

Munkie..
I like the tower.
It's redoran in style.

I was always under the impression that a tower was there.
After all Silgrath Tower is to the west of morrowind. And you don't get more west than this.

So where is this damn tower????

And I ask you please to be a bit more understanding when you post.
I've yet to see you say that you where wrong on anything.
I understand you disagree. And I respect that.
But I don't agree whit you.
This tower is lore. It is redoran in style.
And in my opinion should be part of Kogo Tel.
So please don't call anyone morons becus they don't have the same view as you do.
I find that offencive to be honnest.

Munkie · Post by **Munkie** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:07 pm

Actions...you want to talk about actions? I talk with Nazz, Veet and Yinnie everyday. They do know the progress of Tear and the Dres architecture. On the contrary I am quite active. To tell you the truth...its morons like you that stop me from posting on the forums. Now until you can get out of your blind and dense mind that you aren't always right and that there are times to concede and not shun the comments of other people then don't bother replying to me. I really should take the high road but enough is enough. That little stupid debacle you did a while back in the House Indoril thread was barely tolerable. Stupidity at its best.

And no right-minded Dunmer not even the Hlaalu would put up lizard statues in their town or city. Your excuses are pathetic and sub-par. Using the statues as a sign of argonian submission or whatever the hell that stupid excuse was is rather pathetic. Narsis is even more pathetic. For such a huge city...its unusually *clean* even with the details you put in. See its stupidity like yours that stop me from posting. Really it's a waste of fucking time talking to you because you can't seem to get anything through from anyone through your damn mind. Apparently you don't know as well that I am USUALLY ON MSN OR MIRC. So before you assume anything about me...fuck off and don't even bother. Banned? I don't really care. This is worth it...tired of tolerating this stupidity from you. Childish...yes it is but sacrifices are to be made.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:20 pm

its morons like you

stupid debacle you did

Stupidity at its best.

See its stupidity like yours

a waste of fucking time talking to you

your damn mind

fuck off

this stupidity from you

well what can i say ... thankyou again for your very Intelligent and smart comments that are always appreciated as a sign of a goodwill for improving the project ...

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:22 pm

You should post more often. Your posts are entertaining.

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 4:50 pm

Im gonna try to say what munkie said, but without the cursing, because I think he is right on this one.
This tower
a)doesnt look redoran at all, Im sorry, but redoran structures resemble crustacean shells yes, and though you could say that yes, there might be some crustacean animal that has a shell in this shape, or say its a giant horn, or somethin(still not sure what the architectural thing was that made this). But the point is, it sticks out like a sore thumb next to other redoran buildings. It is too tall, to thin, and to abstract in shape.
b)it uses very little texture variance, which I think leads to boring structures.
c)the way it was made is too obvious, and as a mesher, I know the first thing that detours me and makes me dislike a mesh is being able to see exactly how it was made(ie looks like you took the primitive shape and did 2 simple modifications on it to get this shape)

Prom youve made good meshes before, and I say this as a friend, this is not a good mesh. Please dont take this in any hostility because you know that is not how I mean it.

I hope this post helps in some way

Munkie · Post by **Munkie** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:02 pm

Right...Prom. Selective quoting. Nice rebuttal. Like I said already I know its childish but I don't really care. Apparently you have no response to my finer points.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:02 pm

nope cant take hostility by you my friend

...thanks for ur opinions

i was just liking it ... but if nobody does think it is a redoran thing than can always be a unique horn stuff isn't it?anyway i' have modified it since the first version ...
the only thing i can say is that i used a lot of modifiers to give this shape

bending , noice,taper, twist , smoothing,and some few others ... the textures have to be non variant if it is a piece of bone .. the only thing i couldn't be able to add is vertex shading...

[img]http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/download.php?id=1974[/img]

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:09 pm

Isnt the base kinda large for a horn?
For varience you could colour the texture with some dirt and rifts and what not

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:11 pm

if you arent goin to use it around any other redoran buildings, I think it could be used(with the modifications shown below), just dont designate it as redoran. It could be like some habitat dug out by a hermit.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:14 pm

so it was the destination i tought ... something like a Landmark place for something else .. i tought about redoran tower but if it doesn't look so is ok ... can be just a horn ... but i really like the twisted horn shape ..like the african bulls or muflons and severall other animals that do have a kinda similar shape ..

blad ..

the tecxture is tiled the way to add those stuff u said was throught vertex painting that i did but the tesc didn't export .. dunno why..

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:21 pm

yes but the top of this horn doesnt look anything like a horn in nature, it is really thinnly tapered at the top, a horn spirals, but on itself, more like a double helix, than a single helix as you have it here

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:24 pm

oh i deleted a double spiral couse it looked to unrealistic i tought ... but that would have had caused an increase in poly number for a good smoothing...

Icarus · Post by **Icarus** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:48 pm

I think it suits fine, only thing I would change is the tapering (or however you did it) as it gets further up, as in pic,

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:03 pm

Un-spiral it and make it taller, plus a few unique "decorations" too; and we will have an actual sligrad TOWER! i'm sorry noirgrim, but the current mesh isnt a tower to me at all, just a giant overhanging shell that looks like a very fancy device to keep rain out. If you could combine the two, though, big wooting.

And munkie, I appreciate your ability to come out and tell people the blunt truth when everyone else is too afraid to speak out... now if only americans could act like that, then perhaps we (I say we because I live in the us) could realise that the entire world hates our guts, for the most part.
Although "Fucking idiot" is a bit extreme, even if the insultee is egotistical. I prefer insults like "Concave tipped eating instrument-reminiscent minstrel", more commonly "spoony bard". You see, insults that the insultee doesn't get are all the more insulting, as it implies that they are dumb too. just a minor tactics lesson.

Back on subject, I think if you straightened out the spiral a good deal and cut off part of the top so SOMEONE COULD ACTUALLY USE IT AS A TOWER, this would be a great mesh. If you do that, it could even possibly be used as dres... wait, god no. nevermind the dres thing.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:09 pm

i'll take a look to the latest suggestions ...

am i egotistical ?

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:18 pm

I have to agree, the top of the tower/horn doesnt look like it has the strength to be a horn, and if ever used it might snap off. Making it thicker all the way through and maybe having it spirl less out would make it look stronger as a horn. As for it being Redoran, it is hard to tell. Certainly wouldn't be a structure they built, but with some changes it might be one that they used.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:20 pm

doesnt look like it has the strength to be a horn

oh now i got what u all where meaning about the point ... yes it is too thin to resist a blow ..then should be thicker...

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:36 pm

That could certainly help, if it is going to be a horn it has to look like it could be used as one as well.

DMKW · Post by **DMKW** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:07 am

i actually liked the orgional tower..pictured on page 1 much better... i liked the balcony part too....looked like some kinda of redoran mage would live there or something. ..would be even cooler if it was unique.

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:17 am

Yeah but on the first one, how on earth would someone get to the balcony in the first place? Fly?

DMKW · Post by **DMKW** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:10 pm

Mongoloid Cow wrote:Yeah but on the first one, how on earth would someone get to the balcony in the first place? Fly?

latter...the tower could have more then one level...all accesible by latters or stairs...dunno ..haven't seen the interior

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:39 pm

prom, I really think as is, this is not usable

What I said at the beginning of the thread should have been implemented, that first mesh. If you had widened it a bit, made it shorter, and kept that balcony at the top, it would have been perfect. I think you are tryin to be too unique, and it will stick out too much.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:07 pm

I think I have a solution to this problem.
As far as I can see, all Redoran buildings are made of crustaceon shells, so the idea of the "really big horn" doesn't really fit. The tower needs to be an exoskeleton of some sort. The problem is that most crustaceons don't have shells that are very tower-esque. However, this is fantasy so we can do whatever we want. I was thinking about this, and thought about hermit crabs, who sometimes have shells that resemble the spiral-shaped tower you have designed. There is no reason why you cannot use this. make the base of the tower more Redoran-like, and have the spiral grow out of the top. Give it a try and see how it looks.

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:32 pm

even without lore, I still say it is not aesthetic, it needs to be shorter, period, and wider, period. Its ratios are just displeasing to the eye, almost like its about to fall over.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:44 pm

It does look pretty fragile. To make it better and more sturdy looking, he could thicken the horn part, so it looks more like a shell and less like a horn.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:08 pm

guys i dunno why but i see it ok for a horn i compared it with natural spiral horns and even fractal solutions developed on the aureal section , it fits completely and perfectly the nature of it , also it seems thin but is not it is the picture that makes it looks like this... i abandoned the idea to make it to be redoran , it is just a ancient animal horn carved inside and used by a heremit to live there , it is just in redoran terrritory but away from the other redoran houses , so there is no need to fit them , even if at my opinion and to the one of few others looks fitting....
so basically it is a not redoran at all building , it is a building digged in the inside o a horn by an heremit , it doesn't belong to anyone , and as a shape it is good as compared to normal animal horns ...

remember that not all the horns in anm,al life are to be used for fights , often are instead more important for a show of sexualituy and health ...also there are different stages of growing for it dependant by the age ...and the position in the claim as well as the shape of the territory around could suggest the skeleton of a big animal still uynder the terrain and of wich only this parts emerges ...like sometimes happens for dinosaurs...

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:15 pm

prom on your latest pic that you posted...

the one on the right is fine as a horn and barely fine as a building, but the one on the left is too thin 3/4's of the way up.

Vernon · Post by **Vernon** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:57 am

Now that is a hell of a thread.

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