Argonia

Meer-Sei · Post by **Meer-Sei** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:16 am

I second that.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:57 am

since it is collected without killing trees

Nope i think is much more performed throught ritual collecting and since the argonians are the only ones to gather it i think shouldn't be so rare but still should be precious , not be found outside of the region and may be used only by the mightiest warriors and special elite units.....for the sketch u have to wait i come back from mexico.....

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:11 am

Exactly.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:50 pm

[img:800:340]http://www.nathanielwest.net/images/marshfull.jpg[/img:800:340]

this image is inspiring isn't it?

Teli · Post by **Teli** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:15 pm

Oh yes!!!

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:26 pm

Nice pic
BTW, r those imperials in those buildings?
I don't think foreigners would live in an argonian village

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:47 pm

Excellent pic! Better than that glass dome idea, thats for sure.

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:41 am

yes...this one brings inspiration as well...for a mannish port city

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prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:52 pm

i will post my new sketches on Argonia when i will be in Italy....

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:11 pm

prometheus wrote: this image is inspiring isn't it?

I think that would be really good for much deeper into Argonia or towards Cyrodil. Obviously it isn't just marsh or jungle everywhere, but I think we can use most of the enviorments that are very moist, rainforest type habitats along with marshs/swamps and jungle.

Mr. Alligator · Post by **Mr. Alligator** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:24 pm

Oh, Am I gonna have fun with black marsh!

Prometheus, please before doing anything with maps look at this

http://til.gamingsource.co.uk/maps/

scroll down and look at the maps of the elder scrolls arena for insparation.

kingfish · Post by **kingfish** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:29 pm

Mr. Alligator wrote:Oh, Am I gonna have fun with black marsh!

Prometheus, please before doing anything with maps look at this

http://til.gamingsource.co.uk/maps/

scroll down and look at the maps of the elder scrolls arena for insparation.

do you really think prom doesn't know these maps?!

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:59 pm

The new maps are based off of the Arena/Daggerfall map of the continent. But obviously a s%&^-load more detailed.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:49 pm

Prometheus, please before doing anything with maps look at this

http://til.gamingsource.co.uk/maps/

scroll down and look at the maps of the elder scrolls arena for insparation.

Lol and how do you think i made the maps i made till now?

Fallen Murk · Post by **Fallen Murk** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:33 pm

I think the analogy of the beaver hut, with an aquatic entrance a classic idea!

On the subject of wood eventually rotting when under water...

I think Watches Moonglitter talked about continuous material replacement like thatch roofing: another capital idea! Very realistic!

Also... Might there be tar that could aid in wood treatment, fire, etc?

Mr. Alligator · Post by **Mr. Alligator** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:22 am

Lol and how do you think i made the maps i made till now?

I am so ashamed. I feel like a noob. I feel like my honor has been taken away from me.

*sniffle*

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:22 am

just wait until the core changes your avatar to a dancing punk tutu and assail you with rumors of mating with dead birds...THATS when you lose your honor

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:34 am

I take such punishment has befallen you on certain occassions signore Haplo?

Mr. Alligator · Post by **Mr. Alligator** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:41 pm

Prometheus I am sorry. I feel like I treated you like you as a newbie, for that I am sorry.

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:44 pm

no maurith, no...its too hard to discuss... *sniff*

anyway...lets get back on topic to Argonia...

what new statics have been made for Argonia and where can they be found?

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:35 pm

hi all a long time since my last upload , but as promised here some concept art i made for Argonia....

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:39 pm

here is a concept for a row boat made out of a great leaf ....i didn't finish it , some canopy ropes should keep the boat in shape , larger ones could have a round roof made of vegetables over it....

Psyborg · Post by **Psyborg** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:41 pm

Ooh. Perty.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:43 pm

here is a concept for the hist armour dressed by an Argonian guard , also this is unfinished since i didn't made deep shadings.....

shandrazi · Post by **shandrazi** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:51 pm

Stunning as always prom.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:23 pm

shandrazi wrote:Stunning as always prom.

Exactly. you never sese to amaze me prometheus

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:46 am

thx people....

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:21 am

i see a great leaf boat, but where's the great leaf tree? oh and the pictures look great!

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:07 am

The armor looks cool, but the cuirass really doesn't look resinous at all. The advantages of making armor out of resin is that you could mold the individual pieces easily, so it wouldn't make sense to make a whole bunch of small plates and tie them together. Maybe something more molded, platemail like- only cooler and mroe natural looking.

Suhn Tarsis · Post by **Suhn Tarsis** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:59 pm

Ah, an excelent example Prom, were would TR be without your contributions.??...???...??? Probably still thinking on what TR would do if they had some one like prometheus.. Very very good examples.

Mr. Alligator · Post by **Mr. Alligator** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:38 am

I would be more than happy to creat some of the swampy regions of Black Marsh. I have been practicing my hand at exteriors, and they pretty good. So if you got anything that involves swamps I will more than happy to do it, once I finish my interior claims first.

Juhazar · Post by **Juhazar** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:58 pm

Black marsh really needs swamps, that pull the player down and drown him, i think. Player could not jump when he is drowning in swamp. It would need scripting though.

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:08 pm

A simple script that sets athletics down by 100 should do the trick, I think.

Also, it could automatically damage the playyer, and we could do a trick as Liliath did with his bitter root plants (basically, plants with a script attasched that auto-damage the player when he collides with them).

BM should be an eerie, mysterious place. And dangerous. Lots of agressive plants like vorr's meat eating plant, and those poison gas flower things Majra made.

Mr. Alligator · Post by **Mr. Alligator** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:18 pm

This is what I am first going to do if we somehow go into to diffrent groups and start diffrent provinences.

I would first start of where the water is to the waste, with that swampy covering over it. Place several trees, falling over trees, and then dig some trenches. These trenches would be used for certain creatures on how they would catch thier prey. You would fall in and you would get eating.

Hopefully, if you're an Argonian, you could detect these things before you fell in or something else killed you in the natural deathtraps.

Like it would say,
"You can feel something eerie about this place, it would be best to head around these trees."

Then of course, Black Marsh is nearly a wildlife refuge. Finding creatures nowhere else.

Suhn Tarsis · Post by **Suhn Tarsis** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:51 am

Quick question. Argonia, like Morrowind was never successfully conquered by Cyrodill. If this is true then like the Commona Tong in Morrowind should there not be an underground Revolutionist political party in Argonia?

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:13 pm

No, Argonia has been conquered - twice, sort of. During the second empire IIRC the northern parts were conquered succesfully by Reman's armies, which is when it was given the human name Black Marsh. Then with the Third Empire it was again conquered, completely this time - why do you think there are so many imperial settlements in Argonia in Arena? You don't think the Argonians know massonry skills.

Plus the Argonians don't seem to bothered about the Empire - for one it provides at least some protection against Dunmeri slave traders who otherwise would be rampaging all over Argonia.

P.S. the Cammona Tong are first and foremost a thieves guild, they're certainly very rascist but their political ambitions seem to take a back seat to their competition with the imperial thieves guild.

Suhn Tarsis · Post by **Suhn Tarsis** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:11 am

Well put. But Argonian campagains, were not a full success. From what i read the Kharahtu Flu or what ever it was called killed all the outlander settlers in Argonia. But maybe I am mistaken.

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:37 am

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n wrote: Then with the Third Empire it was again conquered, completely this time - why do you think there are so many imperial settlements in Argonia in Arena?

I thought they couldn't make it all the way into the center of the Marsh, and instead built settlements around the outside, closer to the borders?

Suhn Tarsis · Post by **Suhn Tarsis** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:51 am

yes that is what i meant. It wasn't completly physically conqured by Cyrodill. It just kind of submitted itself to the empire. beings that after all as far as we know Argonia has no real central government. and virtually no army.unless ofcourse you are to count the Argonians themselves.

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:58 pm

Suhn Tarsis wrote:Well put. But Argonian campagains, were not a full success. From what i read the Kharahtu Flu or what ever it was called killed all the outlander settlers in Argonia. But maybe I am mistaken.

The Knahaten flu, it did not kill outlander settlers in Argonia, only the Kothringi, a species of men with reflective metalic skin, the few remaining tribesmen are spread throughout the rest of the Empire (and are probably headed for extinction as they no longer have a breeding population - which needs IIRC a couple thousand minimum).

The Empire came later, this event happened in the 2E around 2E560 and the Empire only conquered the whole province during the third era with use of Numidium. I don't care how good you are at guerilla warfare even the vietcong would have surrendered to Numidium and if you take a peek at the Arena map of Argonia the settlements are fairly evenly throughout both the coastal and interior regions of Argonia, settlements like Blackrose, Seaspring, Branchgrove, Rockspring, Alten Markmont, Greenspring and Helstrom are all located in the deep interior far from the coasts or the more sub-tropical jungles of southeastern Nibenay.

In fact Seaspring is right oposite a lak from Murkwood - the big dungeon in Argonia in Arena. So it seems to me the Cyrodiils are not at all afraid of colonising such deep swamp- and marshland, certainly they live in similar conditions in the jungles of Nibenay, maybe the Colovian Cyrodiils would find it rather humid but they're needed elsewhere.