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I heard it shold be a shop. So it'll be one. Or it should be something other ? Maybe a tavern ? Anyway I think if I'll be granted it today I'll be ready till tommorow.
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Make it what you wish, but also make it contain a small thieves guild HQ in the basement behind a closed door or something.

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Looks sexy.
Now a few questions:
-where can I see the exterior ? AFAIK it's new Darconis and I dunno if it's included in Map 2 download
-it should be TG guildhall (with guildmaster, the guy who can clear your bounty etc.) or just a small base ?
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First screenies. This is a room of elite "woman for hire". I want the feedback on that Dibella banner. Should I remove it ?
Ah forgot to say. It's not a shop. It's a sleazy tavern for thiefy Legion veterans :) aka bordel for Legioneers with TG HQ.
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New pack of screenies. This time it's beta of a bar and a basement.
NOTE: I'll delete all screenies as soon as I'll submit the file.
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I think it's a bit too dusty. :?
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it's darconis, not a town that worships mephala. The lighting needs to be normal, not dark and mysterious. There need to be chandeliers, candle posts, little candles on the tables, a nice cozy little shop that is profitable. I think that if you fix the lighting, it should fix the major problems that it looks like the interior has. With those screenshots, is seems like the site of a giant battle...it looks like there's blood-mist floating in the air.
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Actually, for a sleazy bar, the lighting is about right. Some more candles would be nice though. And, of course, more furnishings, fitting tapestries, a small stage ect ect.
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whoops, I didn't read his post about the setting change. For a lowly bar for legion vets, you should remove the dibella banner (I think) and add some more candles. Maybe some burnt out candles lying on the floor for some nice effect.
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And read my post again. This is going to be a bordel (upstairs), bar (first floor) and Thieves Guild (hidden in the basement). Dibella is Goddess of love so that's why I put the banner in there. But I can easily replace it. It was mainly a test. So should I or not ?
Second. Fog simulates that people smoke a lot there. And I think it should be dark. I haven't added any lights now but when I'll add them it'll be much shinier.

EDIT: Added the lighting. Now thinking about removing some chandeliers... It's too shiny now. Will upload update screenies in next 30 minutes including fully made bar (I hope).
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The fog and lighting seems fine to me for a bad, as hermit said. Lots of fog makes it more like a dirty, smokey place where some outlaws and criminals hang out. I make some common bars rather foggy as well. I think it'll work out fine.
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whats a bardel? do you mean a brothel?
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Yeap. Yinnie already corrected me on this :) Anyway placing meat in the plates took longer than I though so new screenies will be tommorow.
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OK. Beta 0.2 is ready. Can somebody please DL and test it ? (preferably a reviewer)
Have in mind that there's a Boethia's Pillow Book on the second floor. I'll change it to just Pillow Book but a bit later.
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Question: can I use bath tubes from Map 1 (Firewatch, Queen's Cutlass) in my claim ?
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Beta 0.4. TEST IT !!!!
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And the screenies. Screenshot 15 shows the layout of second floor. If it looks anything like Halfway or Six Fishes - feel free to revoke the claim and spam me to death.
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Nice work!

But sclae the dices... the are too big. And spin the coins.. it looks wierd that they have the same angle.
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Dices are on their 1x scale. But I'll scale them down. I also think they are big. Tnx for the suggestions.
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Me and Stalker are making up a name for the tavern. There's one possible name: "Dom Buhla". Supposedly, it's "Tavern" in a dead Redguard dialect. What do you think?

Edit: Here's a complete list of possible names by me and Stalker: "Dom Buhla", "Eternal Blaze", "Armored Whore", "Beermoth Fort".
It's up to the core to decide which name is better.
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Submitting...
Can somebody PLEASE test this thing ?
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Darth_Blade wrote:Me and Stalker are making up a name for the tavern. There's one possible name: "Dom Buhla". Supposedly, it's "Tavern" in a dead Redguard dialect. What do you think?

Edit: Here's a complete list of possible names by me and Stalker: "Dom Buhla", "Eternal Blaze", "Armored Whore", "Beermoth Fort".
It's up to the core to decide which name is better.
None of the above. Choose a more suitable name.
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I took a quick look at it. It looks fine but it could use some additional rugs in the bar and the second floor hall. The hall on the second floor can also use some additional decoration like plants or a table with some decorative things on it. It's a bit bare.

Most important: Drastically reduce the number light sources. It looks like some neon-light interior right now. Especially if you want it to look sleazy, dirty, smoky and whatnot a small amount of well-placed lights does wonders.

'The Smoky Hole' might be a suitable name.

Other than that, it's well-cluttered, detailed and unique.
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I already disscussed it with Hermit and he rejected the names. I want the name to represent the owner's history and the purpose and auditory of the tavern (description below).
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Okay. I'll remove some lights. I also though that it's too well lighted but wanted more opinions.

Descrition of the owner:
One-eyed, one-legged Redguard, former Legioneer, veteran of many battles, like to tell stories about his life in Legion, extremly patriotic. He was born in Cyrodiil and raised in Legions that's why he's patriotic to Empire.
How he's going to be one-legged ? Peg-leg.
Why he's a Redguard in the first place ? I think there is already a stock one-eyed Redguard face ingame.


Personally I prefer something like Beermoth Fort but because there's no beer and local beer (or brew to be exact) is called Mazte and Maztemoth Fort sounds like...it sounds just bad...we need another name. All ideas are welcome. Plus I was planning on making a unique banner for this tavern...
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OK. Now better ? I won't mind a quick test also...
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Post by Vegor »

Still way to many lights. Check out original Bethesda interiors. Amount of lights should be a lot lower than this.
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Better now ?
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Vegor, where are you ?
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Ok, I'm sorry, but still too much lights. Way too much.

Especially the rooms upstairs. There are like 12 bright red candles in one small room. It's just too much it makes it look more like a neon-lighted room. Just 2 or 3 of those lights per room should be enough.

The bar downstairs is looking better now. I'd say reduce the number of chandeliers to 2 or 3 and add a few more candlesticks to the tables and the bar. 1 for each table and 2 or 3 on the bar. Small candles on tables with a small radius do wonders to atmosphere.

I like what you did with the hall upstairs, with the rugs and plants. The bar room could use a few rugs as well. But everything looks really nice actually, except for the lighting.
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There are no rugs at the bar for obvious reasons:
-lots of people
-lots of drinks
-lots of people+lots of drinks=puke. So who would clean up the rugs ?

And OK, I'll remove the red candels but I think that first floor lighting is OK. At least to my liking. It should be CT hideout. It sould be a legioneer's best place to visit.

BTW the name is "The Happy Legionary"
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Legionary?

Ok, I grew up reading Eddings and the word they used was legionnaire to describe the Imperial forces, so its your choice really.

Legionary means something that relates to or constituting a legion.

Legionaries is a soldier of the Legion.

Legionnaire is a Member of the Legion.

Whatever that sounds nice to the ears....... hermit? What do you think?
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Stalker wrote:And OK, I'll remove the red candels but I think that first floor lighting is OK. At least to my liking. It should be CT hideout. It sould be a legioneer's best place to visit.
Yep, it's your interior so you should do it as you want. And the rugs.. well yeah that's true but the floor looks rather bare like this. Perhaps making the walkway a bit narrower by moving everything a bit closer to each other. That's up to you though.

I personally think Legionnaire sounds the best of those.
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I'm using Abbyy Lingvo 9.0 and on the word which means the one who serves in Legions in gave me Legionary. But let it be Legionnaire. I cannot be considered a walking English vocabulary :)
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The place won't look so empty when I'll add NPCs. It'll be like 4 people at the gambling table (I hope that somebody will make sitting Imperial greaves and boots so they will actually sit there), 1 near the "ABC for barbarians", the owner over the bar stand, the guy standing near the table at the entrance, a few girls on the second floor, one locked room with a girl and guy... So I seriously doubt it'll be empty :)

Changes made in this version:
-red candles removed (only three left)
-the room with those red candels is now locked (20 level lock)
-the basement is now locked (35 level lock)
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*beggin Vegor to see it for the last time*
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The lighting upstairs is still too much for my personaly taste, but I guess it's acceptable now.

Can't find any real errors except for the Nord mead you used. I think Nord Mead is only available in Skyrim and Solstheim but not in mainland Morrowind. I think nobody's insane enough to drink it besides Skyrim's crazy Nords.

Some very minors errors:
The cupboards behind the bar would look better a bit further into the wall.
All things hanging from the hooks above the bar bleed a bit into their hooks.
All the things hanging look a bit too uniform. Rotate the green glasses and goblets a bit so they look different. The tankards can't be rotated though.
Upstairs a tapestry bleeds into the wall.

Well I think all other errors will be found in review. Reporting out.
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That mead is actually for crazy Skyrim nord :) Special order :) And tnx for the suggestions. Gone fixing. Tnx again.
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