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PoHa!
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25 Mar 2005

Location: Tulsa, OK

Hey guys & gal, glad you like it. Smile

Sload was right about the vivec bridge. Its a walkway were the slavers can easily see into each pen. At one end, is the tower, where masters pay for their new servants. At the other end, I see it as a barracks type place for the slavers, or something of that sort.

The one problem with the bridge, is that the pillars cut into it, which I don't think neccesarily looks out of place, but I wish they served a purpose besides possible toe stumping...

SirWoot wrote:
And is the entrance you kept the one with all the steps from the marshy area? I hope so, it's meant to be the one actually used most of the time.


I'm not certain what you mean on that, but I might. From the Argon Jungle-like swampiness, there is a way that leads up towards the poor section, and another that leads up to... something.

As regards the WG trees by the waterfall, I don't see any logic in mixing AJ flora into it. While the majority of that cell IS jungle, that part is WG. However, if anyone would like to further argue that idea, you are welcome to do so.

Kebra wrote:
Just great. May i steel you some ideas? Smile


Sure, Kebra. Steel me some ideas. Laughing No guarantee that I'll use them, though. Very Happy

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sirwootalot123
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08 Feb 2004

Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA

I was talking about the daedric ruin, with the stairs. sorry 'bout that.

It doesnt make sense geographically or naturally to have a sudden shift in region style just because a line on a map might suggest so. in 6-22, zalz did that all the time and the end result ended up looking horrible - so bad that I have to redo the equivalent of four cells to prevent myself from saying "ugh" aloud every time I hover over them.
The mountains are what locks in the jungle's moisture, which is why its weather patterns and vegetation are so different. and as such, dry-climate WG flora simply doesnt belong. If you use AJ flora and grass (BC) textures, but with WG rock textures, it should look peachy. It'd look really bad to have one side of the mountain be WG rocks and the other side BC rocks, though - again with the whole sudden inexplicable region shift.

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PoHa!
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25 Mar 2005

Location: Tulsa, OK

sirwootalot123 wrote:
I was talking about the daedric ruin, with the stairs. sorry 'bout that.


Ah, yes. That is the one entrance I kept Very Happy

sirwoot wrote:
It doesnt make sense geographically or naturally to have a sudden shift in region style just because a line on a map might suggest so. in 6-22, zalz did that all the time and the end result ended up looking horrible - so bad that I have to redo the equivalent of four cells to prevent myself from saying "ugh" aloud every time I hover over them.
The mountains are what locks in the jungle's moisture, which is why its weather patterns and vegetation are so different. and as such, dry-climate WG flora simply doesnt belong. If you use AJ flora and grass (BC) textures, but with WG rock textures, it should look peachy. It'd look really bad to have one side of the mountain be WG rocks and the other side BC rocks, though - again with the whole sudden inexplicable region shift.


I still fail to see the logic of mixing flora of one type with the rocks of another. You do realize that the WG trees of interest are near the top of that redone waterfall, right? I have to believe that THAT is the source of miscombobulation, because otherwise, you're still not making any sense.

Further, if you look at Vvardenfell, mountains are many a time THE line of climate change. One side will be BC, while the other side is suddenly WG. So, I don't see your argument there, even.

Last but not least, this and 6-8 (which I was just about to do some things in) are on temporary hold until I can figure out why the heck the CS keeps crashing on me, for absolutely no apparent reason.
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sirwootalot123
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08 Feb 2004

Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA

ahhh, makes perfect sense now... but why WG? the top of that plateau is actually AI. only the mountains themselves are WG, the region map's a little complex around there.
Besides, a bit of region-mixing is good. makes the land stand out from vvardenfell a bit more - like what I did with the NEmost cell, using GL and MH trees in an otherwise WG area; and then with balsan mar having it slowly transition from dry WG-ish to black marsh style.

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PoHa!
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Location: Tulsa, OK

sirwootalot123 wrote:
ahhh, makes perfect sense now... but why WG? the top of that plateau is actually AI.


If there's any problems with any region/terrain specific items, then it was your doing. That waterfall is what remains of the huge one that you placed, with WG rocks/cliffs on either side. I've done very, very little as far as rocks and the like goes.

So... why WG? Because you made it WG. Razz

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sirwootalot123
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I dont have time to write a winded explanation, but in short, only the rocks are WG. the flora and grass is either AI or AJ, depending on elevation. gotta run!
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Dexter
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04 Jun 2004

Location: Baltimore, MD

This claim belongs to...
POHA!!!
He knows what he is doing, please stop trying to hold his hand.
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sirwootalot123
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08 Feb 2004

Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA

I dunno, it's almost like some weird mother instinct... while he may be raising 6-26 to maturity and adulthood and teaching it life's toughest and most important lessons, I gave birth to it, and feel like I cant totally abandon it. of course he has total artistic freedom, but I feel a want to be involved in it still, even if it is something as tiny as random suggestions.
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PoHa!
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25 Mar 2005

Location: Tulsa, OK

Riiiight...

Well, its been a while, and Dexter wants an update, or else he'll shoot a melon into the air with his trusty bow...

I've updated the .esp, and I invite anyone and everyone to play what I've done to Balsan Mar, and see what you can find.

Does that mean I haven't been working on the jungle itself? Yes, yes it does mean that. I actually haven't done much at all to the jungle, or at least its been a while since I have.

Regardless, I've also uploaded some new pics, which can be found in This Album.

Included in this album is the following:

- Top Down view of Balsan Mar
- Another top down view, but with places noted
- And three
of my favorite
pics from Balsan Mar.

And now, I await the angry mob. Smile

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Theo
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16 Dec 2004

Location: PRAGUE

Fantastic! As I regretted much the previous Balsan Maar had to be redone, I must admit this one looks even better. However I hope you will smooth the vetexes and add some smole flora here and there is the land looks quite unnaturaly edgy and empty on some places.
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sirwootalot123
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Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA

Only two criticisms at all, because otherwise it rocks!
one would be that you need to move the silt strider, right now you have him in black marsh territory... Razz
also, why would they put ugly WG flora in the planters? keep in mind that, were the town not there, the naturally growing flora would be a sort of blend of WG, black marsh, and argon jungle... though thats more aesthetic preference than anything else. I'd also suggest WAY more detail on alot of the buildings, but of course you aren't done yet so that'll come along eventually.

I absolutely love how you kept the vertical theme of the city - where the main road is almost more like a chasm. I also like how you blended it into the cliffs.
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PoHa!
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25 Mar 2005

Location: Tulsa, OK

Updated. Minor fixes from the last version.
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Noirgrim
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21 Aug 2003

Location: Chicago, IL

Dropped as per modder request.
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kebra
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30 May 2005

Location: ithil

İ love this work.

This map is close to mine and i would like claiming it.
But, it's again all TR rules, so, i will wait to have an autorisation (or not).
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Lud
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27 Aug 2004

Location: Ireland

Hey kebra, is there any chance you'd prefer to work on map2 detailing? Smile
We're just about to start serious work on it, and your help would be massively appreciated.
*wheedle*

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kebra
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Prefer? İ don't now.
But OK Lud.

Anyway, if nobody ask for the 6...
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Lud
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*hugs kebra*
Have a looky here

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Haplo
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30 Aug 2003

Location: Celibacy

Open for claiming
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

Location: currently hiding in Pentos (aka Philadelphia)

I've been looking over this and wouldn't mind claiming it. Since map 6 isnt much of a priority right now hopefully I'll have plenty of time to work with it. Anybody mind if I hit the claim button?
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Nomadic1
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15 May 2004

Location: Adelaide, Australia

Why would anyone have a problem with you claiming something?

Take it - before I do Twisted Evil

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Haplo
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Feel free mate, I know you'll do a good job Smile
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kebra
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30 May 2005

Location: ithil

Sure, and do it quikly, we all are after this claim.

Oh, i will send you my borders, i change a bit the things in the area.
Happy modding.
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

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Its MINE *mwaha*

Terrain looks like its been laid out so I'm going to add statics and change textures and basically build on top of the foundation thats already there.
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Haplo
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30 Aug 2003

Location: Celibacy

Granted! Here's to making one rock-solid awesomesauce claim!
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

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I'm throwing a pinch of fantasmagoric into my awesomesauce.

Anyway, I'll go a bit more into detail of what I'm going to do.

Balsan Mar only gets minimal changes made, mostly where old dres pieces are missing and where some architecture looks a little hokey. There are really strange colors used in vertex shading like blue greens and bright greens that need to be remedied. Most of the landscape needs detailing, touching up, total redoing, or some sort of change. However most of the land is already set in place and I'm not going to change that much, just build over top of it. The dwemer ruin appears to have disappeared so I've got to build that from scratch, and I've yet to give the daedric ruin a close inspection. Textures need to be changed too. Basically this is like one of those really run down old houses. You know it's going to look great but right now the bathroom is covered with mold and we've got a leaky roof, no offense to anyone who worked on this previously.

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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

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What I've done so far:

Finished everything between Balsan Mar, Mehret Plantation, and the daedric ruin with the very long name. Started on the swamps today and I'll be at it on and off all day (it's one of those lazy days where I roll out of bed and turn on the computer... which is like most days come to think of it) so I'll post another WIP by the end of the day.

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Tyrion
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Should I keep both entrances or is only one going to be used?

Just to see what I've been up to.


some new jungle


new jungle closer to Balsan Mar


Mehret Plantation

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Haplo
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keep both of 'em Smile
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

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Could I add a third entrance? The part of the ruins above the entrance on the right is sorta just...there, and there's no access to it because the plateau is surrounded by cliffs. Since the ruin is set into the cliffs I think that might add a nice vertical feel to the ruin with entrance/exits at different levels. That way you could also get up to the top of the plateau that overlooks the rest of the ruins, the swamps/jungle, and Balsan Mar.
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Haplo
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As long as it flows, you can add another entrance. And good job with the claim, looking better and better Smile
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Tyrion
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Should I get rid of the npcs? Many of them are missing heads... and I'm pretty sure npcs will be added later.
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Haplo
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Yes, get rid of all NPCs.
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Haplo
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So, some changes. Remove Balsan Mar, and move it a tad bit south. Then make it a small village with shacks. I know this is a big hassle, but it's something that must be done! Thank you!
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

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Did I hear you right, get rid of Balsan Mar? I'll do it but do you mind if I ask why?

I haven't really touched this in a while but I'll start again with this I guess. It's not that big a problem since Balsan Mar was fairly compact to begin with.

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its too big, not on the map, too close to silnim dale, and not fitting for its location. (also, why the hell does it have NPCs and interiors?)
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PoHa!
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also, why the hell does it have NPCs and interiors?


My bad. Too crazy I went in the weeks before OB's release. IIRC, there's a faction for the Dres that I added, some dialogue, and a quest in there too. Yes, I know. BAD PoHa! Bad!

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yes... yes indeed. However we forgive you, especially if you come back and actively mod again.
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

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I removed all the npcs but never posted the cleaned file. Doing that now.

edit: Removed Balsan Mar, its basically just a big hole in the ground I'll get to work on the new settlement soon. Whats its name, or does it even have a name, or is it still Balsan Mar?

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Thrignar Fraxix
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call it what you will as long as it is a tiny shack town. btw, could you move the road back from the border with my claim a little bit?
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