[FCG]: Boats and ships
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[FCG]: Boats and ships
FCG topic: Boats and ships
- Small, two person skiff, for fishermen, pearl-divers, etc.
- A merchant ship, with lots of cargo room. Possibly using oars, with a few people who just couldn't get the money in time manning the oars. Though this may be frowned upon outside of Pirate society.
- A large warship/galleon. Bigger than the Imperial ships, and a little squatter I suppose. Big, sturdy and mean looking thing. A fairly prominant place to display the flag of whichever city-state the ship belongs to as well.
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- Small, two person skiff, for fishermen, pearl-divers, etc.
- A merchant ship, with lots of cargo room. Possibly using oars, with a few people who just couldn't get the money in time manning the oars. Though this may be frowned upon outside of Pirate society.
- A large warship/galleon. Bigger than the Imperial ships, and a little squatter I suppose. Big, sturdy and mean looking thing. A fairly prominant place to display the flag of whichever city-state the ship belongs to as well.
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I know I'm moving a bit fast. But I wnna do soem work. And I'm on a roll at the moment, lackign any social skills this weekend.
So I hope I will ahve an idea up tomorrow, alogn with a simple plnanar modelling view/s and with a coloured illustartion of it.
So I hope I will ahve an idea up tomorrow, alogn with a simple plnanar modelling view/s and with a coloured illustartion of it.
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I should sharpen up the planars some time this week.
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I should sharpen up the planars some time this week.
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Nice water
I'm not sure I like the shape of boat, though. The sails are very interesting but I dont like the shape of the hull (it looks like a shoe).
Also, I'm not much of a sailor but as I understand, sailing ships need at least one sail rigged sideways to be able to turn- becuase, otherwise when they have not forward thrust if they turn out of the direct path of the wind.
someone more knowlageable than I please correct me where applicable.
I'm not sure I like the shape of boat, though. The sails are very interesting but I dont like the shape of the hull (it looks like a shoe).
Also, I'm not much of a sailor but as I understand, sailing ships need at least one sail rigged sideways to be able to turn- becuase, otherwise when they have not forward thrust if they turn out of the direct path of the wind.
someone more knowlageable than I please correct me where applicable.
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Is this a concept for the merchant ship or the galleon?, I agree with Macar on the "shoeyness" of it and the sails do need to be reworked. I also agree with Macar on the water - very nicely done!lb003g0676 wrote:[url=http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled5copyms7.jpg][img]http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4111/untitled5copyms7.th.jpg[/img][/url]
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I should sharpen up the planars some time this week.
I rather like the shapem, very unique and pretty offbeat. The main problem I see (while not actually knowing anything about sailing) is that they're have trouble seeing what's in front of the ship, since the aft is lower than the fore.
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If anyone wants some inspiration, this is what MK has to say about Altmer ships:
Made of crystal and solidified sunlight, with wings though they do not fly, and prows that elongate into swirling Sun-Birds, and gem-encrusted mini-trebuchets fit for sailing which fire pure aetheric fire, and banners, banners, banners, listing their ancestors all the way back to the Dawn.
This is Old Mary at Water.
Made of crystal and solidified sunlight, with wings though they do not fly, and prows that elongate into swirling Sun-Birds, and gem-encrusted mini-trebuchets fit for sailing which fire pure aetheric fire, and banners, banners, banners, listing their ancestors all the way back to the Dawn.
This is Old Mary at Water.
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Yer I notiuced that about the sails, angled at the wind.
But I decided that the masts could clip the sails in one sail diagonally, 2 as they are now, or 2 parallel to the ships sides. What CC said makes a lot of sense. Thanks Macar for that nugget of information and thansk to CC for your confirmation of it, and suggestion!
Nalin, it's a merchant ship. I wanted this huge glob on the front to be for extra storage. And hopefully as a counter measure For capsizing.
The shoeyness... is that necesarily a bad thing? Or is it just a personal opinion? Eitehr way I can change it.
And Orix you point is very valid, you can't see whats in front. Even fro the deck. So I think a crows nest of some shape or form, may be in order.
Xui I ahd no ieda this was for Altmer ship. so this concept can be disregarded. I thoguht it was for Hammerfell ships.
But I decided that the masts could clip the sails in one sail diagonally, 2 as they are now, or 2 parallel to the ships sides. What CC said makes a lot of sense. Thanks Macar for that nugget of information and thansk to CC for your confirmation of it, and suggestion!
Nalin, it's a merchant ship. I wanted this huge glob on the front to be for extra storage. And hopefully as a counter measure For capsizing.
The shoeyness... is that necesarily a bad thing? Or is it just a personal opinion? Eitehr way I can change it.
And Orix you point is very valid, you can't see whats in front. Even fro the deck. So I think a crows nest of some shape or form, may be in order.
Xui I ahd no ieda this was for Altmer ship. so this concept can be disregarded. I thoguht it was for Hammerfell ships.
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You can keep the front as is, if you just make the back higher. In the past, ships were always steered from the back- that's where the rudder is.
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I like the unique nature of your design.. It does look sort of yukodan... but I thought it looked like a big slug when i first saw it...especially with the algae dripping off the back. I'll have to figure out how you rendered that water one day cause it looks amazing.The shoeyness... is that necesarily a bad thing? Or is it just a personal opinion? Eitehr way I can change it.
I'm pretty sure this is meant for Hammerfell ships... Altmer vessels should be way down on our priority list.
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In the event that you haven't noticed, ships are used for travel, meaning that it is remotely possible that Altmer ships have left Summerset.Sload wrote:Xui'al has no idea what he's talking about. The Altmer ships should look nothing like the Ragu ships and there's really no point modelling Altmer ships in Hammerfell. That quote should be used as something you don't do.
'What if man is not really a scoundrel - man in general, I mean, the whole race of mankind - then all the rest is prejudice, simply artificial terrors and there are no barriers and it's all as it should be.'
In the event you haven't noticed, we have not-too-many-modellers and "a ship from Summerset" is obviously a trinket that we simply don't have time for. Moreover, its not listed in the list of things this thread is asking for pictures of.
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No, it isn't, but nor is generic fantasy. It's an idea. Perhaps we should make all the orcs a bunch of screaming waist-high monstors, the Dunmer an underground race of demon-god servants and the Bosmer normal tree-elves?
'What if man is not really a scoundrel - man in general, I mean, the whole race of mankind - then all the rest is prejudice, simply artificial terrors and there are no barriers and it's all as it should be.'
No, it isn't, but nor is generic fantasy. It's an idea.
Personally, I like the idea. Alot. When I say alot, I mean that I am planning on modeling it in the next couple of days, cause its THAT cool. (edit: for a render, not for TR. Unless someone wants me to) And I like how it looks like a shoe, as opposed to some generic fantasy ship. Reminds me of how morrowind was set up.In the event you haven't noticed, we have not-too-many-modellers and "a ship from Summerset" is obviously a trinket that we simply don't have time for.
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Macar I would be happy to raise the stern. and Morden, I can get rid of the algae hanging off the back, it's just when its docked, the water hitting, would slowly allow algae to develop. But when it's higer it will not matter anyway.
I shall have to change the functional with it anyway, as it's scarily inaccurate and not very smooth.
But I am happy to read it is actually is for HF ships
Nairb, it would be lovely to see it modelled, and I'm glad that you think it that cool . Thanks
I shall have to change the functional with it anyway, as it's scarily inaccurate and not very smooth.
But I am happy to read it is actually is for HF ships
Nairb, it would be lovely to see it modelled, and I'm glad that you think it that cool . Thanks
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This is fallacious and idiotic in every way.Xui'al wrote:No, it isn't, but nor is generic fantasy. It's an idea. Perhaps we should make all the orcs a bunch of screaming waist-high monstors, the Dunmer an underground race of demon-god servants and the Bosmer normal tree-elves?
EDIT: I'll show you the courtesy of explaining myself.
First of all, never, never, have I suggested or will I suggest that anything we do should be "generic fantasy." Your complete ignorance of my stance, which I have made abundantly clear far too many times is completely INSULTING.
Second of all, the ragu do not use sunlight, bugwings, and crystal as building materials. This is an Altmer thing; it simply does not work for the ragu. Further, we don't have time to have an intricate ship from Sumursette, because we don't have enough modellers.
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I always imagined HF boats being just like the ones found in Cyrodiil, which happened to be the same style as found in 'Redguard.' I know 'Redguard' happened a few eras ago, but it might be a good place to start for a base concept.
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I actualy agree with that. I think that western style ships fit the best with piratey Redguards. However, we want them to look a little different.
I suggest something with "lateen" rigs- which are a middle easten stlye- but where quite well mixed into western ships.
[img]http://user.chollian.net/~lovesara/history/nina.jpg[/img]
If we do something like this and just bow the spars slightly it will give them an exotic look- like these
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I suggest something with "lateen" rigs- which are a middle easten stlye- but where quite well mixed into western ships.
[img]http://user.chollian.net/~lovesara/history/nina.jpg[/img]
If we do something like this and just bow the spars slightly it will give them an exotic look- like these
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I had started over again (unfortuantely with the shoe shape still in place) but the overall design revamped, and far more intricate.
But I do agree with more Asian (is this a generalisation?)styled sails. I might do a little crud thing rather than continue with the one I have. And tone down on the weirdness a little. I particularly like this thread, as vehicles are few and far between in Tamriel.
Meh, you guys keep coming up with ideas, I am sure hat otehr concept artists are working on other advanced ideas.
But I do agree with more Asian (is this a generalisation?)styled sails. I might do a little crud thing rather than continue with the one I have. And tone down on the weirdness a little. I particularly like this thread, as vehicles are few and far between in Tamriel.
Meh, you guys keep coming up with ideas, I am sure hat otehr concept artists are working on other advanced ideas.
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Dexter is really bad at cleaning up his stupidly loose sketches with Photoshop. He apologizes in advance for the poor quality of the scans and touchups.
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If people like this design, I can experiment with alterations for a pirate and big-ass-ship version.
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If people like this design, I can experiment with alterations for a pirate and big-ass-ship version.
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I think more Western/Middle East mix is the way to go. It should be different than the Cyrodiilian ships.
Various real ship styles:
[url=http://4gym-chanion.chan.sch.gr/tetradio/tetradio1/script/minoa/minoa1_.jpg]Minoan[/url]
[url=http://www.abcmodelsport.net/p350470/Mantua-EM0744-Santa-Lucia.html]This guy[/url]
Thats all I could think of looking for. Fast, sleak ships. Maybe add something strange to them.
Various real ship styles:
[url=http://4gym-chanion.chan.sch.gr/tetradio/tetradio1/script/minoa/minoa1_.jpg]Minoan[/url]
[url=http://www.abcmodelsport.net/p350470/Mantua-EM0744-Santa-Lucia.html]This guy[/url]
Thats all I could think of looking for. Fast, sleak ships. Maybe add something strange to them.
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by all means, the Redguards should have a haste-sailing design. After all, it's been the greatest change in both their economy and their culture. Why else are their pirates the fiercest the Empire's ever seen?
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I think that, if possible, three kinds of ships would be nice:
Old Yokudan: Maybe only seen in pictures, or in the more conservative Corwn ports. I have no idea what these would look like.
"New Yokudan": Believed to be originally adapted from Imperial ships by Redguard pirates, these tend to be rather long, small and fast ships. They have the same general build as clippers, but for the look this pretty much describes it: [url]http://www.geocities.com/tstrutt/pirate_ship2.jpg[/url]. Basically the typical pirate ship. This would be found in most ports and most of the models, IMO, should be almost completely Western style; no Eastern influences.
Finally, Imperial: This really comes in two parts, the Imperial Navy's almost man-of-war ships and the merchant etc. ships, which would be just like the ships found in Oblivion.
Old Yokudan: Maybe only seen in pictures, or in the more conservative Corwn ports. I have no idea what these would look like.
"New Yokudan": Believed to be originally adapted from Imperial ships by Redguard pirates, these tend to be rather long, small and fast ships. They have the same general build as clippers, but for the look this pretty much describes it: [url]http://www.geocities.com/tstrutt/pirate_ship2.jpg[/url]. Basically the typical pirate ship. This would be found in most ports and most of the models, IMO, should be almost completely Western style; no Eastern influences.
Finally, Imperial: This really comes in two parts, the Imperial Navy's almost man-of-war ships and the merchant etc. ships, which would be just like the ships found in Oblivion.
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that ship is made out of lego, isn't it?Gnomey wrote: They have the same general build as clippers, but for the look this pretty much describes it: [url]http://www.geocities.com/tstrutt/pirate_ship2.jpg[/url].
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Here's the Skiff I drew several days ago:
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I feel like ships 4 and 6 have the right feel to them. 4 actualy resembles Pound's since it is covered.
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Well, I've drawn a piece that might be up tonight if I can upload from home, and if not, it will be up tomorrow. More of an elegant skiff, perhaps a fishing boat.
And it's actually already drawn, which means it actually will be up.
And it's actually already drawn, which means it actually will be up.
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I'm working on orthographics for a large trade ship. It is in a predominantly western style- with an emphasis on Lateen Rigged sails- to give it a hint of eastern influence.
I'm drawing some pretty detailed orthographics.
I'm drawing some pretty detailed orthographics.
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Here is the inside of the hull- I also have a color coded version that explains what all the stuff is. I managed to throw away the sail plan by accident so I'll have to redraw that- and there are still som detail illustrations I want to do. But I thought I'd show this first. Is this what the powers are looking for?
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