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Claim: 5-19-Red Claimed by Nemon
Maps In Group Map 5 at (-25,11):(-22,8)
 Status: Approved, 100% Complete
 Faction: House Redoran
 Area size: 16
 Files:
Name Size Last Modified
TR_5-19-Red_Nemon_1.esp 1 MB Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:46 am
TR_5-19-Red_Aeven_5.esp 894 KB Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:46 am
Description
Velothi Mountains. Includes Cormar, a Hlaalu town in the middle of Redoran territory, and thus a provocation to the Redoran.
Claimer must create a city proposal when claiming.

Please download map 5 height map here and work from that:

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=19347
Note that cleaning irrelevant cells may create land tears, so backup your work regularly and often.

This part of the VM uses BM statics.
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Nemon
Developer Emeritus
18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

See this picture for regional borders, roads and rivers. Some roads are a little "off" in the Uld Vraech part, but the merged map file has the layout we're aiming for.


Clicky me...

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Last edited by Nemon on Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:21 pm; edited 3 times in total
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Aeven
Lead Developer
17 Aug 2008

Location: Groningen

I'd like to take this one. I want Cormaris to be a town which has a feeling of being fortified, and at the centre a kind of stronghold, citadel. I also intend for it to feel wintery, with bits of ice on the lake. There would be a small, but permanent dock area, for the import of foodstuffs, and the export of what I only assume is lumber, and ebony from the mines.

Is this a city proposal, or would I have to build it?
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Haplo
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30 Aug 2003

Location: Celibacy

The lake shouldn't be quite as large as it is in the map image; it should only span some of the row, not the entire row, of cells it occupies.

Also, this is a relatively new town, so keep that in mind. Granting.

Oh, and just a reminder: Work off of the height map.

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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

I would suggest you keep the winter-y stuff for the higher areas of this claim, as this region isn't that far up north to warrant icy waters. I believe you have some altitude in the southern cells in this claim?
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Haplo
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30 Aug 2003

Location: Celibacy

Just a heads up, this claim needs an update (and a file) by Wednesday.
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Aeven
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17 Aug 2008

Location: Groningen

I actually don't have the time to do a proper job of this, as I'm in my exam year. Consider me dropping this.
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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

Dropped as per Aeven's request. OH PEOPLE, A CITY CLAIM!
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

Location: currently hiding in Pentos (aka Philadelphia)

I like city claims.

Would it be possible for me to work up a layout for Cormaris?

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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

Sure. But I can't tell how long this will stay unclaimed.
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

Location: currently hiding in Pentos (aka Philadelphia)

I'll claim it then and put something together then.
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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

Sure, granting.
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

Location: currently hiding in Pentos (aka Philadelphia)

Awesome, I split the claim off from the rest of map5 last night and I'll begin a layout tonight.
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

Location: currently hiding in Pentos (aka Philadelphia)

Here's my plan for Cormaris. All the architecture is set. I cut the size of the island in half, this way the town occupies the whole island. This shouldn't change anything besides the fact that the lake will occupy another two cells that used to be island. I think this looks better and works better with the fortified feel. There will be cliffs around the rest of the island, you can pretty much see where'd they'd go.

Be mindful the file is dirty, as I was too excited to clean it.

edit: I cleaned it

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Bloodthirsty Crustacean
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02 Feb 2007

Location: Elsewhere

Very nice, love the multiple levels thing you've got going on.

Obviously it will change once you've got terrain and rocks in place etc., but right now it seems to me just a tad 'artificial' having the city so neatly fit on the island. I would perhaps extend the eastern side of the island a bit, but make it rugged terrain that's not suitable for building - a rocky peak that rises above the rest of the city might frame it quite nicely? It would also be a nice conclusion to that natural curving 'rise' in terrain you have the city following.

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Theo
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16 Dec 2004

Location: PRAGUE

Very nice.
Perhaps a smaller island or two could be placed to the east of the main island, hosting some summer residence of some noble, shack of a hermit, or HQ of some secretive institution, grotto, ruins of some older settlement or what have you (or simply just wilderness). There could be a boat connetcion or not. Just large water area would not look to good, IMHO.

Also please include suggetion of height of the terrain in the south and approximate road location. I would like to match my claim to yours. Do you plan to have the lake surounded by high peeks and aim for a feeling of a mountain lake?

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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

Someone please post a few screens of this, I don't have access to my computer for a while.
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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

Location: currently hiding in Pentos (aka Philadelphia)

I'll begin placing larger terrain statics and the bridge today then.

I like the idea of islands, that would definitely ease the problem of having a big wide open lake now.

Once I have a little more progress I'll take a few screens.

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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

Tyrion wrote:
I'll begin placing larger terrain statics and the bridge today then.

I like the idea of islands, that would definitely ease the problem of having a big wide open lake now.

Once I have a little more progress I'll take a few screens.


I wanted to see the very concept everyone is talking about before you do any important stuff...

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Katze
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26 Feb 2009

Location: Behind you!

Right on it, here's some CS shots I took just now.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9897526/CormarisConcept/Cormaris1.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9897526/CormarisConcept/Cormaris2.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9897526/CormarisConcept/Cormaris3.jpg

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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

Thank you, this is why it's extremely important to make plans before any valuable and irritating-to-delete work has been performed. The size has to be drastically reduced, Cormaris View is supposed to be a "Hlaalu venture" into disputed lands, whereas this is close to Balmora in terms of numbers of interiors. It pretty much goes without saying - this needs to be way smaller.

I'm sorry the description doesn't include guidelines on that particular detail, but from earlier consensus we've landed on max 20 ints or so for this town (oops I shouldn't have called it city), and also important: It's a fairly "new" settlement as well, which means the modder will have to make sure it looks less developed than, say "older" Hlaalu towns.

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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

Location: currently hiding in Pentos (aka Philadelphia)

No problem then if we can't use this.

I had some time to drum up a settlement the last couple of days, but seeing as this isn't what was called for, and I won't really have time to sit down and mod for a while, I'd rather just drop this now than let it sit while I find free time to mull for ideas.

Sorry about that.

edit: I added my latest file in case you want to truncate the existing city to the desired size. Also, use my file since it has the separated cells, rather than going back to the heightmap.

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Theo
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16 Dec 2004

Location: PRAGUE

I sympathize with you on this, Tyrion.

I tried to claim this some years ago, but my proposal for Cormaris was 40 interiors back then Very Happy

Hlaalu set is just so cool for crafting large cities this temptation is hard to resist.

Making Hlaalu town of less than 20 interiors is perhaps comparable to driving Ferrari at 50km/h.

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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

Theo wrote:
Making Hlaalu town of less than 20 interiors is perhaps comparable to driving Ferrari at 50km/h.


Then by all means, stay away from Ald Erfoud. Roll Eyes
And revoked.

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Tyrion
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31 May 2006

Location: currently hiding in Pentos (aka Philadelphia)

Theo wrote:
I sympathize with you on this, Tyrion.

I tried to claim this some years ago, but my proposal for Cormaris was 40 interiors back then Very Happy

Hlaalu set is just so cool for crafting large cities this temptation is hard to resist.

Making Hlaalu town of less than 20 interiors is perhaps comparable to driving Ferrari at 50km/h.


It's just I wasn't aware of the scope of the settlement. I've never used the Hlaalu set to build any significant settlement before, so I ended up going all MC Escher on it.

I also have the tendency to rush ideas when I get them, and I was a bit over-ambitious here, especially given the fact that I didn't have time to go back and redo anything.

Bad planning on my part.

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Theo
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16 Dec 2004

Location: PRAGUE

Ald Erfoud is actually very nice and enjoyable town. What I say is that I just wouldn't have the discipline and skill to make it the way it is.
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alex25
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21 Jan 2010

Location: Here and There

I'd like to try this. The town will be reduced in size and will have a squarish, fort-like shape. It should have 3-4 towers, one large administrative building 4-5 shops one (or maybe two) taverns and 7-8 regular houses. I'll keep a sizable docking area though because a) this town thrives on trade b) it's the safest way to bring food and stuff into it if the redoran decide to blockade the roads. The island will be bigger so the town will be about 1/4 of it. I'll also put some smaller islands all around.
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Haplo
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30 Aug 2003

Location: Celibacy

Granting. We'd like to see what you've got for the town early on.
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alex25
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21 Jan 2010

Location: Here and There

Updated. The town layout and all the buildings are placed. This is a fort-town so it's quite compact. It's both new and a statement of Hlaalu power (thus the small size but lots of towers and the large administrative building in the middle).
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Bloodthirsty Crustacean
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02 Feb 2007

Location: Elsewhere

Like the design; for the bridges perhaps either make the centre-rails bleed into each other (but lower/raise one slightly so there's no visible clipping) so that it's not very obviously just two adjacent bridges, or more simply scale them up to 2.00, which might look nicer anyway.

Personally I'd keep the islands in the lake separate, not linked by bridges? Dunno.

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alex25
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21 Jan 2010

Location: Here and There

Thanks BC! There is only one bridge on either side now and the temple has been replaced with some Hlaalu buildings. Also how much snow is in this claim anyway? Since by the looks of it most of this is going to be BM without snow.
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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

You can use snow for altitudes above 4-4500.
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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

You're within a week of the update limit, please update status.
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alex25
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21 Jan 2010

Location: Here and There

Due to cleaning the wrong cells without backup I lost quite a bit of work. I'm curently re-doing this stuff and will post a significant update in a few days. Also are there supposed to be any ruins/mines/velohi towers in the claim?
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Nemon
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18 Oct 2003

Location: Bergen

You might place a discrete dwemer ruin somewhat hidden by trees in the north east part of your claim. I think that would look kind of nice, and would be an original addition to TR. For other stuff, placing mines, caves, velothi tombs is all right as long as they're not too close to each other.
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alex25
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21 Jan 2010

Location: Here and There

Okay. Made a small backup update just in case.
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Haplo
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30 Aug 2003

Location: Celibacy

Whoops! This needs an update by Saturday.
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alex25
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21 Jan 2010

Location: Here and There

Updated. Remade everything I lost and changed a few bits. Progress is going to be faster from now on.
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alex25
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21 Jan 2010

Location: Here and There

Update. All textures, roads and major buildings are placed. Now for the cluttering.
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alex25
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21 Jan 2010

Location: Here and There

Update. All the BM caves and tombs added some 300 trees added doors added, some shading added... Only some detailing left before finish... If there is any problem with the int locations now would be a good time to mention it.
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