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aro101
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Necrom temple. CA Discussion:
http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=17343

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aro101
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First WIP:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/TheDarknut/Necrom.jpg
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Bloodthirsty Crustacean
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Very very nice.

I'll form more of an opinion (not that you need it) once I see the textures, but right now, a concern for me is that it does appear a bit 'Star Wars-y', and quite reminiscent of their Jedi Temple Coruscant designs.

But with the right textures, it'll be awesome! Smile


EDIT: Also, surely that'll be hell to make an int for?

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Haplo
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Hmm... at that size I think it's taller than the Firewatch Tower, which I think is as tall as we're willing to go with Morrowind.
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Thrignar Fraxix
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uh... isn't OE castle larger than firewatch tower? I sort of figured it would be but I never really checked... seems like OE castle should be taller... meh...
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Haplo
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hmm I dunno... anyway, I do honestly think it is about twice as tall as it needs to be, all comparisons aside.
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Jedak
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Since when there were four gods? I think the back of the building should have only one tower so it makes three + the middle one.
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Gez
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22 Jul 2005



Jedak wrote:
Since when there were four gods? I think the back of the building should have only one tower so it makes three + the middle one.


The ancient Velothi cult was ancestor cult. It did have seven gods, though: the Three Good Daedra and the Four Corners of the House of Troubles.

I'd agree with a triangular shape only because it would result in a house that doesn't have four corners, not because of a symbolic need for three. The Tribunal's obsession with the number three came with the Tribunal itself, after the War of the First Council.

In fact, I'd do away with angles altogether and do something round. A circular wall, with a domed tower in the middle. The Velothi sure did love their domes. The bridge is a very good idea, given the symbolism of bridges as junctions and passageways. Stairs outside the outer walls to climb to the temple's level, then a bridge to go from the wall to the temple -- very good IMO.
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Darknut
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Thrignar Fraxix
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is it supposed to be reminiscent of the mournhold temple?
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Darknut
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Thrignar Fraxix wrote:
is it supposed to be reminiscent of the mournhold temple?



It is the mournhold temple
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aro101
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15 Feb 2007

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I think you're doing well. Go with your model. Make the entrance larger to scale down the rest, scale down the heigt of the towers and maybe make them a bit more round. The square base is good, you don't have to change it either.
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PoHa: yes, but its heat seeking and quite possibly indestructible

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Bloodthirsty Crustacean
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The square base is slightly 'lore breaking', in that Four in a square could be seen as the Four Corners of the House of Trobules. Not a particularly good reference for the biggest Tribunal Temple. Razz

If a 'not four sided' variant could be made easily, it'd be a big improvement lore-wise.

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Lud
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Looks beautiful. I can imagine how inspiring this could be when rearing up above the tombs and crypts of necrom, with mourning ordinators standing guard at the gate.

For lore reasons I would suggest making it circular with three "spokes" at 120 degrees to each other.

Really great work though Smile

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aro101
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OMG, BC. Many Hlaalu hoUses are built on rectangular bases. All Vivek districts are squares. And even Vivek lives in a square based building, OH MY GOOOOODNESS! What an awful REFERENCE!

It's just a square base, not lore imho.

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Bloodthirsty Crustacean
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I was just clarifying what Lud and Gez were saying, and agreed with it. No need to pick on me.

You do whatever you feel is necessary.

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Darknut
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01 Jan 2008

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The Necrom Temple is "Not" a Tribunal temple if what I've read about it is true.

I think it should look very different from the tribunal temples
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Bloodthirsty Crustacean
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Fair enough.

It's a good mesh, regardless of our comments. Pay me no heed.


Well, I'll bugger off back to quests, where I belong.

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Gez
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Darknut wrote:
The Necrom Temple is "Not" a Tribunal temple if what I've read about it is true.

I think it should look very different from the tribunal temples


Yeah, it's older than the Tribunal. It's the Velothi Temple of the Dead, the Chimer Necropolis, the Ancestors' Sacred Home, the Gah'cardruhn.

Many are the glorious dead who watch over the Dunmer. Innumerable are their souls, burning with virtue to protect Eternal Resdayn! Countless are they, the Aedra, the true Aedra, who preceded the Living Gods of the Tribunal! Saint Almalexia, Saint Sil, Saint Vivec, Glorious ALMSIVI, rule now and rebuilt the Mournhold Temple in Triune image, but Necrom is older than them; and Necrom is still the Church of the Ancestors, bridge between the living and the dead, the living honoring the dead and the dead defending the living, in an ever renewing cycle akin to the Wheel!

Yadda, yadda, yaddadda. That's the idea.
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Sload
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06 Feb 2005



It's beautiful, but

the logical extension of what Gez said is that this temple absolutely should not look like Almalexia's temple. Its in a style from a completely different time period and completely unrelated to this Temple.

As to what BC said about the Troubles, it's complete rubbish. To quote Nabisi, "even the Four Corners of the House of Troubles rose to protect the periphery of your madness."

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Bloodthirsty Crustacean
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Sheesh kids, can we stop with the picking on me.

I was agreeing with Gez, and also Lud. I may have been wrong, but let's stop the persecution, please. There were others who suggested it.

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Darknut
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Sorry for the delay in updating ... work has been overwhelming of late.


I like this look & I'm going to start texturing & adding detail if aro101 gives me the OK.


http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/TheDarknut/NecromTemple01.jpg
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aro101
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15 Feb 2007

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Hmm. The arch over the entrance still looks small, which makes the whole construction too big. That's just an easy to be changed detail though Smile

If no one will scream that something's wrong during the next 24 hours, you are going to be rewarded with a big OK.

P.S. Mesh detail seems to be on Morrowind level now. Though, feel free to add a bit more. And don't forget to give it a bit of vertex paint! Smile

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Morden
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It's really hard to tell anything about the mesh from a screenshot. It looks good, but it does appear to have a lot of highpoly areas. What were you aiming for in terms of poly count?
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aro101
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meh, polies... I forgot. Uploading your mesh would be nice and constructive.
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PoHa: I know! we'll shoot an Aro at them
Aro: you have only one Aro missile!
PoHa: yes, but its heat seeking and quite possibly indestructible

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Morden
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meh, polies...


Right... I guess that means i'm dismissed. I like your design Darknut. Best of luck with it.
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Darknut
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Morden wrote:
It's really hard to tell anything about the mesh from a screenshot. It looks good, but it does appear to have a lot of highpoly areas. What were you aiming for in terms of poly count?



Actually I don't know what the poly count is yet ..

I like to model with slines & I will convert it after I've got the basic layout done.

I will keep the poly's at a reasonable level.
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aro101
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Update please Smile How's the progress?
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Gez
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Should probably email him. I saw him some times ago mentioning on Bethsoft's forums he was busy meshing the Necrom Temple, but he doesn't check our own forums often.
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aro101
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Thanks for the tip. Seems like he doesn't check it, if he hasn't anything to show. I'm gonna e-mail him today.
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aro101
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15 Feb 2007

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Revoking. It isn't a hard job. Suggested way to go: Take the shape design from what Darknut made (Sorry, we don't have the mesh :( ) and put our Necrom textures on it. Add some vertex shading and tada, done!
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Swiftoak
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Does anyone know when this can be done? I don't mean to sound bothersome, but I'm starting to fear this mesh will be the bottleneck that slows Necrom down.

I want to start working at the Temple District, but first I'd need a general idea about the shape. Has this been decided? As well as a size estimate so I can start working on the areas around it.

As well, is this really tough? I have no modelling experience what-so-ever, but if nobody volunteers, I might have a go at it. I would need some resource tutorials to get started though.

Just a suggestion.

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Haplo
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Aro has been working on it a bit.
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blackbird
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So you are using that model from aro.
It seems (very) tall for me, but I think that model will be pretty. How will you do the interior? Creating another mesh or using the necrom interior pieces and make an interior like the temple of mournhold.
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aro101
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There was no necrom temple mesh by Aro until yesterday Razz

I'll give you a wip file. Use it however you want. I'll be away for at least 10 days now. It's still a piece of shit, but I think it keeps the right scale and it is close in shape to the final mesh.



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PoHa: how can we best this trio of trouble? who will save us from this menace of sub-par models? what will we do?
PoHa: I know! we'll shoot an Aro at them
Aro: you have only one Aro missile!
PoHa: yes, but its heat seeking and quite possibly indestructible

How to do not become a modeller - by Stryker:
[00:13:]Stryker: no tutorial, no no no
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aro101
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http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/MW/Necrom/temple02.jpg

Claiming. Please revoke this on the 4th of august if it won't be done by that time.
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OMGRANT
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aro101
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Texturing done, mesh done (4k). File uploaded above. Needs vertex shading, possibly some texture changes. Actually you could put this already into the tr_data. It is far better in quality than many other necrom stuff up there.

Should I make an interior too? If yes I need lore or smth like that.

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PoHa: how can we best this trio of trouble? who will save us from this menace of sub-par models? what will we do?
PoHa: I know! we'll shoot an Aro at them
Aro: you have only one Aro missile!
PoHa: yes, but its heat seeking and quite possibly indestructible

How to do not become a modeller - by Stryker:
[00:13:]Stryker: no tutorial, no no no
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blackbird
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Perhaps a room for the top of the building and the rest could be done with the current necrom tile set. Liek the temple of Almalexia in MH.
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aro101
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Plus the underground levels, yes. But some unique stuff for this might be necessary. That is what I am asking for.
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Aro: you have only one Aro missile!
PoHa: yes, but its heat seeking and quite possibly indestructible

How to do not become a modeller - by Stryker:
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