Bamboo Armor

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:42 am

I've got a picture drawn, and I'll post it as soon as my scanner is working again.

The concept is: Bamboo armor (and weapons)

It is a banded maile styled armor made of bamboo, kindof samurai style.

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:44 am

Where would the bamboo come from? And how would it survive the trip to Morrowind?

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:49 am

Teleportation? Magic?
Bamboo Teleported and Enchanted by Telvanni wizards to not rot. Besides, it doesn't have to be in Morrowind. Perhaps from Argonia.

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:53 am

Bamboo rots? huh...I didn't know that...

Anyway...there is bamboo in southern, eastern, and north eastern morrowind. Probably southwestern as well.

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:55 am

Where did you find this?

Mirabell · Post by **Mirabell** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:27 am

Mock Mock Grr Arg.. wheres did yous find zis?

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:59 am

Now, in real life, bamboo splinters something fierce and is quite strong for wood. The armor/weapon's armor rating/attack would be good, though not uber, but it's health would be somewhere below steel, but above chitin.

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:31 am

Here is the picture!

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:42 am

it was confirmed and allowed by the core to have bamboo in the south-eastern parts of morrowind.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:22 am

Bamboo is much, much larger than that. The size of the pieces in your armour suggests that it's made of young bamboo plants, which are fairly weak.

Oh well, TES bamboo is prolly different.
I would say, scrap the helmet. then this armour would be perfect for argonians - simply built, yet durable enough.

Stumpytheguar · Post by **Stumpytheguar** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:27 am

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:37 am

What gave me the idea was I was watching an anime, and this guy gets hit with seven or so bamboo spears, and his blood is spilling out of the bamboo because it's like a pipe. Then later, while watching a Jacky Chan movie, he says, "Don't worry! Bamboo is very strong!"

Than, I saw a picture of samurai armor. Later, in a half asleep state, I thought of it.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:04 am

Bamboo armor is beliveable, especally since it was actually used in oriental nations. As for bamboo weapons, spears are beliveable, anything else I'd say doesn't really make sense. Also, it should be a decent light armor, but not excelent, slightly better than chitin makes sense I suppose. The spear should be slightly better than a chitin spear as well, so, worse than steel/iron.

Flufy · Post by **Flufy** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:30 pm

Aaron wrote:spears are beliveable, anything else I'd say doesn't really make sense.

well what about staves, bows, arows, blow-pipes (uses crosbow bolts or maby added damage to had throne darts), and maby bambo shafted "flint" axes and such like?

Yinnie · Post by **Yinnie** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:51 pm

Aaron wrote:Bamboo armor is beliveable, especally since it was actually used in oriental nations.

Please enlighten me. I come from an Oriental nation and never in my life have I seen anyone wearing 'buluh' (Malay for bamboo) armour in my life before.

Yinnie.

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:07 pm

There is bamboo in Argon Jungle (thanks to veet), and it's also used in chandeliers (some are named that way) and the common guar cart. Thus, a bamboo spear, and maybe a bamboo club would make sense.

But armour?

Bamboo shatters too easily. That'd not make much sense. Samurai used reinforced cloth and plated cloth armour, and other oriental nations such as India and China used bronze and iron scale mail and (later on) chain mail.

I am perfectly unaware of an oriental wood/bamboo armour.

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:23 pm

so am I...Bamboo would be good for:

Death Pits
Arrows
Construction
Food(animals)
Staves

and small huts for nomads in the Argon Jungle.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:44 pm

the last one wouldn't work haplo; our lore states only 3 recorded people have entered the jungle and lived to tell about it.

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:54 pm

It may not be something that was used in real life at all, but the argonians do need some sort of armor of their own. I'm kind of weary about using it though.

Stumpytheguar · Post by **Stumpytheguar** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:58 pm

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:52 am

Actually, the sword idea I had would work. It wouldn't seem normal though. As you saw in the drawing, the sword was made of several bamboo tubes lining one long bambo stalk. The tubes are sharpened at the end in line to form a blade, not really for chopping all of the way through, but rather to chop into something. Kindof a stretch, I know.

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:54 am

For those of you who have seen the movie Hook (The Peter Pan movie with Robin Williams,) one of the lost boys (I think it's Rufio) wears a suit of what I believe is bamboo armour that looks like it could work for the Argonians.

I can't find a picture of it (no one likes Hook on these internets,) but it's basically a solid stack of bamboo stalks, lined horizontally in front of the chest. They are attached by wire on both ends, so that it loops over the shoulders and allows each bamboo shaft to move, making it move with the body and not stay rigid.

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:03 am

Rufio!

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:39 am

I remember thinking the armor looked pretty stupid.

Mirabell · Post by **Mirabell** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:53 am

Your full of radiant sunshine aren't you Garriath.

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:58 am

No, I'm not.

Yinnie · Post by **Yinnie** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:58 am

I remember thinking Rufio looked cute....... I remember Tinkerbell, and London, and Gwyneth Paltrow's small part... I remember the Treehouse thing and the 'Imagine the food' and foodfight incident.

I cannot remember what Rufio wore.......

Stumpy: Thank you.

Kendo eh? Interesting...

Yinnie.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:05 am

Hmm, maybe I'm mistaken Yinnie

I don't actually have any evidence, I mean, there's what Stumpy posted, but I had thought some samurai armor incorporated bamboo to one degree or another. I suppose it either A: was just the way we cheapo americans did it in our movies, or B: metal or other material formed in tube shape which I mistook for bamboo.

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:59 am

Samurai Armor, which I believe was called Genji Deyoro (I could be wrong) was a suit of chainmaile and banded platemaile armor. The plates were usually round, and there were several of them, strapped together, or as their name suggests, banded together, which explains the cloth kindof look some samurai armor has. I don't know if bamboo was ever employed in armor in real life. However, as weapons and torture devices

, it was, and sadly still is, very effective.

A bit off topic, but just to say what I know about Samurai:
American movies misconstrue Samurai as well as their armor. I blame this on Bruce Lee and the Power Rangers. Samurai were suicidle, skillful, swordsman, and though they were sophisticated, the were savage and barbaric. Many samurai and ninja gave into what they believed was great spiritual power. Either they were just religiously cooky, high, insane, or, as I belive it, giving themselves into possesion of demons. That is not proven, but it is my theory. Anyways, just believe me when I say Samurai Jack is stupid. Samurai were not as agile as movies make them out. They were hack and slash heavy infintry and cavalry, not ninjas. Ninjas were assassins. Also, samurai did not fight for justice or whatcrap. They were servants of their master, and did his dirty work.

Ok, back to topic. Bamboo with leather probably would make good light armor. It would be stronger than chitin for sure, seeing as how chitin is made from mud crab shells. I've played with real crab shells, and they are weak. Bamboo however, is strong. Plus, Nordic bear and wolf fur armor: How is that as strong as steel armor? That being the case, I would say that bamboo should be about on par with or just a tad below steel, nordic bear fur and wolf fur, and steel armor.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:00 pm

So there wont be wood armor, but you guys like the bamboo armor idea? Maybe bamboo Stafs/ Spears. C'mon guys, BAMBOO ARMOR???

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:29 pm

Either they were just religiously cooky, high, insane, or, as I belive it, giving themselves into possesion of demons.

Sure, they weren't believing in TrueFaith, USA, they gotta be savages. And YOU of all people want to say religious cockyness is bad? You, the local fundamentalist, the clean shaven Christian Taleban?

They fought for their masters, yes. With your soldiers, you call it gloriously "defending" your oh-so-great nation. With them, it is wrong?

Back on topic, Bamboo armour is not really sensible. We need none, I think. Argonians should have leater, (animal) scales or maybe reinforced cloth armour. Light armour, preferredly. If at all.

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:31 pm

Indoril wrote: It would be stronger than chitin for sure, seeing as how chitin is made from mud crab shells. I've played with real crab shells, and they are weak.

Chitin is considered far better than nearly all existing light armors in ES lore.

And let's try to keep this free of personal attacks. This is a community mod, not a competition. We ought to try to work *together.* Personal attacks closed the Lounge. And it wasn't closed so we could vent our energy on the other forums.

Lord_Gallant · Post by **Lord_Gallant** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:42 pm

Calm down hermit, no one asked for politics in this thread.

I've always felt that chitin armor should have been better in Morrowind. It is supposedly very strong, but furs and hides seemed to provide the same protection! As for Bamboo Armor, I think that if this is done that it should not be called "Bamboo Armor", since real bamboo is not strong enough to stand against a sword blow (naysayer's aside, cellulose can't compete with steel). So, if this is going to be an Argonian armor, it should come from some bamboo-like plant that is unique to Blackmarsh and is stronger than wood.

Another thought is that maybe this amor could somehow cover the head, tail, and feet of Argonians that wear it, since it is designed for them.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:49 pm

Argonians are hunters; they should have various hides for armor, not bamboo

Lord_Gallant · Post by **Lord_Gallant** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:02 pm

I see the fact that they are hunters as rationale for them having hides for armor, not rationale for them not having bamboo. Besides, who else would use it? Bamboo won't grow in the desert, Altmer would rather die than wear bamboo, wood elves have the Green Pact, nords and bretons live in areas too cold for bamboo, and Imperials just don't seem the bamboo type. That leaves Argonians, if this is going to be made.

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:13 pm

I personally don't see much sense in bamboo armour. Hides seem much mroe like what Argonians would use. Leather, maybe even chitin (big insects seem rather common in Tamriel; the wood elves use chitin as building material too, and think of the hoarvors), but bamboo? I don't know.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:14 pm

I

HATE

the bamboo idea, who's with me?

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:16 pm

I agree that they would be more likely to use animal hides as an armour, but I think the Argonians would use everything at their disposal. They live in a very lush area, so they would probably use every resource available.

That said, instead of having just a plain bamboo armour, what about combining the idea of a bamboo plate in front/back (the horizontal bamboo stalks) with some sort of animal hide or scales. Like having the animal hide draped over the bamboo stalks.

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:24 pm

Well ... that could work.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:38 pm

A mixture of hides & bamboo? I like it